Talking about kangaroos, this one is a real one.
His name is Tony Kevin.
I hope that Heng Peou and he meet one day, without boxing gloves.
I think it would be quite a spectacle.
Tony Kevin was Australia's Ambassador to Cambodia from 1994 to 1997.
TONY KEVIN: The most famous Cambodian policeman of course is Police Chief Hok Lundi who Heng Pouv apparently worked for and worked closely with for the last seven years or so until they had a major falling out in recent months, which had led to Heng Pouv apparently being in fear of his life, as he claims, and fleeing from the country.
BRENDAN TREMBATH: Mr Kevin is a now a visiting fellow at the Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies at the Australian National University.
He says Heng Pouv makes remarkable claims.
BRENDAN TREMBATH: But Tony Kevin has trouble accepting Heng Pouv's stories.
TONY KEVIN: Most of them are not new, most of them were street talk in Cambodia over many years, so the fact that this man worked in the police close to Hok Lundi, and the fact that he's got a great deal of information about these stories doesn't necessarily mean that what he says is true.
BRENDAN TREMBATH: The former diplomat says there is a credibility gap.
TONY KEVIN: Well, I think this man has a bit of a credibility problem because by his own account many times he was worried about he was involved in and what he was doing, but he was always either threatened into silence or bought off with bribes or new cars.
TONY KEVIN says: I think if one was looking at the relative credibility of what is after all, a sovereign Government recognised by Australia, with which we have normal diplomatic dealings and the credibility of a malcontent police officer who has decided for whatever reason to blow the whistle, I tend, unless given strong evidence to the contrary, to** believe the government rather than the man.**