Sin Sisamouth is way Overrated!!!!

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I see a lot of threads about who’s better Sin Sisamouth or Preap Savath? I think this question is very childish. Sin Sisamouth is way better no comparison. But here is a better question Sin Sisamouth or Vannet? I think Vannet is a lot better than Sin Sisamouth. Vannet is under rated. A lot of you would disagree with this, but I can understand why because he’s a “legend” according to everyone. It seems that if you disagree everyone jumps on you. But if you really listen to Sisamouth’s songs 2 out of 10 sounds good, if even that.

can noy vannet compose songs like sisamouth? i doubt it.. remember, sin sisamouth's music has a lot of influence on modern khmer music.

true that he has influence...i give him that much. but there was not much artist to select from. compose i don't know ...most of them are ripped off from western or chinese music. you can say he was the orginal p diddy. i think people give him to much credit.

I don't know about everyone else, but I just don't like Noy Vannet's voice at all. Everytime I hear his voice in the CD, I would skip. At first I didn't know it was his voice until I read the cd cover. I just don't know what is the big deal about Noy Vannet.

Well, just by 2-cents.

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Although I only like most of Sisamouth's slow songs vs. dancing ones...I'd still say he's better than all the current Khmer artists who tries to sing the same song as him.

 

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Remembered that today we used a lot of expertise and different resources to make the singer voices enhanced. Back then they didn't so I prefer the old father PDiddy

Although I am open to listen to new singers too.

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Originally posted by solster
true that he has influence...i give him that much. but there was not much artist to select from. compose i don't know ...most of them are ripped off from western or chinese music. you can say he was the orginal p diddy. i think people give him to much credit.

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there were many artists during his time. so savoeun, meas samon, pov vannary, eng nary, pen ron, mao sareth, and many more. if you read sin sisamouth's biography, he actually won 2nd place in the singing contest that they did. i forgot who won 1st though. also bro, he composed and wrote at least 70% of his songs.

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Pretty insulting to compare the crappy music of P. Diddy (whose idea of music revolves around sex, drugs and money) to Sin Sisamouth. It's obvious you know nothing about his music and no, he isn't overrated. Actually, he's not mentioned enough. "Noy Vannet" and whoever else are too much clones of other pop stars because they believe that they're being "different" when in actuality, they're following trends. Oh please. Have you any idea how many songs Mr. Sin Sisamouth's composed on his own? That lovely traditional beat you have been starved of because of being busy of brainwash into idolizing clones? I've heard hundreds of Sin Siamouth's songs, many that are original and with meaning. Can you say the same about your pop-boy-band-wannabe there? Noy Vannet's clothes, appearance, music and voice even, are copied off from others (or how they'd say "inspired") but in a more odd form to suit the needs of modern society rather than of quality. And for your information, the music of Noy Vannet and many talentless others are polluted within most of every DVD-he isn't underrated and another piece of information for you: Mr. Sin Sisamouth isn't the only artist of his time to choose from-his music is pleasurable, varied and often original with lyrics too big in words for you to understand; Mr. Sin Siamouth sings of tradition, modesty and pure love-that is why he is deserving of his title but with modern music dominating, what is now valued is only just superficial and trendy.

Comparing a backstreet-boys-clone to him? Pshhh...

Any way, allow for me to quote this that you'd acknowledge more:

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Sinn Sisamouth (Alternate spellings: Sinn Sisamout/h, Sisamut/h or 'Si' with spacing e.g. Si Sisamouth) (Pronounced: Sinn Sis-sa-mott with a silent 'h') was a very famous and a highly prolific Cambodian singer-songwriter of the 1960s and 70s.

Even nowadays, he is still considered a 'household' name and popular music choice. This was because his presence and influence on Cambodian music was so great. His main female singing partners for duo songs were Ros Sereysothear and Pan Ron of which the previous is ideal to be Sisamouth's singing partner because her high crisp voice balanced the deeper toned but also crisp voice of Sisamouth. He had also sang the songs for the soundtracks to many famous movies at the time like On srey On and Thavory meas bong.

However this was all shortened by his death, as it is believed that Sinn Sisamouth and other Khmer musicians and actors of his time died during the Khmer Rouge regime during the 1970s. This led to a shorter than expected career of what many people can consider as the 'King of Khmer music', his works however still are pretty much alive in terms of how his work are in existence and the popularity despite the growing younger generation of Khmer singers and their more perhaps 'westernized' approach to pop music and other genres like rap music.

Sinn Sisamouth both composed and sang literally hundreds of songs, of which most of them he composed and sang himself or with partners. For the exception for a few translations of some of what can be called his 'favourite' songs, in which he translated from languages such as English and French and sang in Khmer (Cambodia's main language) therefore introducing international songs into Cambodia that people may at that time might not have heard of ever before.

A great number of Sisamouth's works were mainly focused on love as the genre, however there were some which could be classified under the rock category and can be distinguished from his love songs by the more intense background music and the lyrics which are sung at usually a faster pace and somewhat a least gentle tone. Some people in the music industry in Cambodia at that time may specialise only in singing or composing songs. But what sets Sisamouth apart from them is he did both - wrote his own songs and sung them himself or with a partner. Not only just composed a song or only sang one, this makes Sisamouth as a highly prolific singer. Also worth mentioning, are the skills of those who played the instruments for the tunes to the song contributing to the overall success of Sinn Sisamouth and adding to their contribution to the Khmer music.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_Sisamouth

I totally agree that Sin Sisamouth is still the one. I love his songs, not only for his voice, but for his song writing skills. His songs are very meaningful, full of life and originally. If you noticed, Sin Sisamouth songs are still played everywhere, especially on special ocasions.

I cannot say the same for the modern songs now. Most or all of the songs now are just copies from other countries. It's embarrassing to hear some of my non-Khmer friends to tell me that the songs they hear on my karaoke are from a Korean one or from Japanese or Chinese or Thai. There is no creativity and worse there is no dept to the songs today. Most or all of the songs that I hear on the Cambodian channels has the word 'bes doong'...what the hell, people just don't know how to say anything else anymore? Bes Doong seems like it's the only word to say love or something. Everytime I hear that word now, I would just cringe cause' it's so irritating!!! Some of the singers now do have the voice, but they need to find their own niche, creativity and deptness.

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Originally posted by solster
I see a lot of threads about who’s better Sin Sisamouth or Preap Savath? I think this question is very childish. Sin Sisamouth is way better no comparison. But here is a better question Sin Sisamouth or Vannet? I think Vannet is a lot better than Sin Sisamouth. Vannet is under rated. A lot of you would disagree with this, but I can understand why because he’s a “legend” according to everyone. It seems that if you disagree everyone jumps on you. But if you really listen to Sisamouth’s songs 2 out of 10 sounds good, if even that.

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solster, you are entitle to your own opinion but do go to this link khmeroldies.com and check out SOME of the master works. He truely was a master.

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Each to their own i always say..

I'd say that's pretty good if for every 10 songs, 2 are good. Considering Sinsisamouth has like what, hundreds if not a thousand songs? But vocally you can't beat the nostalgia of Sinisamouth's voice. I don't know whether you're comparing songs or comparing their singing ability.

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Originally posted by solster
I see a lot of threads about who’s better Sin Sisamouth or Preap Savath? I think this question is very childish. Sin Sisamouth is way better no comparison. But here is a better question Sin Sisamouth or Vannet? I think Vannet is a lot better than Sin Sisamouth. Vannet is under rated. A lot of you would disagree with this, but I can understand why because he’s a “legend” according to everyone. It seems that if you disagree everyone jumps on you. But if you really listen to Sisamouth’s songs 2 out of 10 sounds good, if even that.

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Noy Vannait sounds like he's sick!

blah...

Chan Samaiy (the guy singing on my page) is under rated....

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Originally posted by solster
It seems that if you disagree everyone jumps on you. But if you really listen to Sisamouth’s songs 2 out of 10 sounds good, if even that.

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From what I can gather, Mr. Sisamuth recorded hundreds if not thousands of songs in his short career. Yes, if you really listen you realize they're not all classics. But neither were all the songs of Bob Dylan or Lennon/McCartney or Jagger/Richards. And you can't deny the huge influence those guys exerted on the evolution of rock and roll.

What's more interesting is your previous statement about being jumped on for being in disagreement. What's that all about anyway? Why do people feel the need to take such a defensive stance over something like music.

Surely everyone who has the talent and guts to get up in front of people to sing deserves to be cut a little slack. So what if one sounds a bit like the other or if one is not quite as good as the other.

The important thing is that people's lives are enriched by the music experience. A scratchy old recording can have as much emotional impact as any imitation. And any imitation is surely a genuine tribute to the original. So what's the problem? Can't we all listen along (apologies to Rodney King)?

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Originally posted by selric
For the exception for a few translations of some of what can be called his 'favourite' songs, in which he translated from languages such as English and French and sang in Khmer (Cambodia's main language) therefore introducing international songs into Cambodia that people may at that time might not have heard of ever before.

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Not only that but presuming Mr. Sisamuth was heavily involved in the recording and production process, he would certainly have enjoyed incorporating outside influences into native music. Take this Ram Saravann, for example

http://www.monsoon-country.org/sounds/KhmerCD04/KhmerCD04.02.wma

That twangy electric guitar defined the sound of the sixties, the sixties in the west, that is. Sounds like something you'd hear on an early Neil Young album.

Oh! I feel so isolated

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I enjoyed reading the debates, but at the same time I felt so isolated and missing out alot of good khmer music. I remembered the times when I understood and know how read/write khmer - I really did enjoyed my khmer culture - oh boy! anyone willing to take me back to my homeland? I think I left my heart in SF, not - Cambodia

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Originally posted by selcric
Pretty insulting to compare the crappy music of P. Diddy (whose idea of music revolves around sex, drugs and money) to Sin Sisamouth. It's obvious you know nothing about his music and no, he isn't overrated. Actually, he's not mentioned enough. "Noy Vannet" and whoever else are too much clones of other pop stars because they believe that they're being "different" when in actuality, they're following trends. Oh please. Have you any idea how many songs Mr. Sin Sisamouth's composed on his own? That lovely traditional beat you have been starved of because of being busy of brainwash into idolizing clones? I've heard hundreds of Sin Siamouth's songs, many that are original and with meaning. Can you say the same about your pop-boy-band-wannabe there? Noy Vannet's clothes, appearance, music and voice even, are copied off from others (or how they'd say "inspired") but in a more odd form to suit the needs of modern society rather than of quality. And for your information, the music of Noy Vannet and many talentless others are polluted within most of every DVD-he isn't underrated and another piece of information for you: Mr. Sin Sisamouth isn't the only artist of his time to choose from-his music is pleasurable, varied and often original with lyrics too big in words for you to understand; Mr. Sin Siamouth sings of tradition, modesty and pure love-that is why he is deserving of his title but with modern music dominating, what is now valued is only just superficial and trendy.

Comparing a backstreet-boys-clone to him? Pshhh...

Any way, allow for me to quote this that you'd acknowledge more:

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Sinn Sisamouth (Alternate spellings: Sinn Sisamout/h, Sisamut/h or 'Si' with spacing e.g. Si Sisamouth) (Pronounced: Sinn Sis-sa-mott with a silent 'h') was a very famous and a highly prolific Cambodian singer-songwriter of the 1960s and 70s.

Even nowadays, he is still considered a 'household' name and popular music choice. This was because his presence and influence on Cambodian music was so great. His main female singing partners for duo songs were Ros Sereysothear and Pan Ron of which the previous is ideal to be Sisamouth's singing partner because her high crisp voice balanced the deeper toned but also crisp voice of Sisamouth. He had also sang the songs for the soundtracks to many famous movies at the time like On srey On and Thavory meas bong.

However this was all shortened by his death, as it is believed that Sinn Sisamouth and other Khmer musicians and actors of his time died during the Khmer Rouge regime during the 1970s. This led to a shorter than expected career of what many people can consider as the 'King of Khmer music', his works however still are pretty much alive in terms of how his work are in existence and the popularity despite the growing younger generation of Khmer singers and their more perhaps 'westernized' approach to pop music and other genres like rap music.

Sinn Sisamouth both composed and sang literally hundreds of songs, of which most of them he composed and sang himself or with partners. For the exception for a few translations of some of what can be called his 'favourite' songs, in which he translated from languages such as English and French and sang in Khmer (Cambodia's main language) therefore introducing international songs into Cambodia that people may at that time might not have heard of ever before.

A great number of Sisamouth's works were mainly focused on love as the genre, however there were some which could be classified under the rock category and can be distinguished from his love songs by the more intense background music and the lyrics which are sung at usually a faster pace and somewhat a least gentle tone. Some people in the music industry in Cambodia at that time may specialise only in singing or composing songs. But what sets Sisamouth apart from them is he did both - wrote his own songs and sung them himself or with a partner. Not only just composed a song or only sang one, this makes Sisamouth as a highly prolific singer. Also worth mentioning, are the skills of those who played the instruments for the tunes to the song contributing to the overall success of Sinn Sisamouth and adding to their contribution to the Khmer music.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_Sisamouth

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I second that. Surely that idiot dosnt know what the fok he talking bout.

what the ***k is wrong with you. Vannet is not even worth to be in the same sentence as Sin Sisamouth.

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Noy Vannat is all right there is no comparison to Samuth. Samuth set the standard for all the Khmer singers. Music has evolved and changed a lot, but it has its root from the old timers like Samuth and sothia. The man has golden voice that many people will forever treasure.


Just like Elvis Presley--- he set the standard for all the singers to follow. No one will replace Elvis. The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Elton John, Led Zepplin...just to name a few all got into rockn' roll because they loved Elvis and influenced by him. Even Jimi Hendrix was influenced by Elvis.....Jimi's dad took him to an Elvis concert when he was young...and he was fascinated by his stage performance. Heck, even Michael Jackson is a great fan of Elvis.

For the Sisamouth fans name at least ten good songs from him. Make sure it's not take from chinese or western music. This should be easy to do since he has thousands of songs.